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[07:30]<+camerongray> hey
[07:30]<@jacky> me?
[07:30]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[07:30]<@jacky> oh
[07:30]<@jacky> ok
[07:30]<@jacky> Hey!
[07:30]<@jacky> :)
[07:30]<+camerongray> lol
[07:30]<+camerongray> Oh Tux2: I posted on the site about someone stealing
[07:30]<@jacky> !lastspoke tux2
[07:31]<+camerongray> Also Tux2: Is it pulseaudio I need to add to a linux distro to be able to play sound?
[07:32]<@jacky> camerongray: when Tux2 returns, active, if I miss him, ask him to say my nick. ...just want to ask him something
[07:32]<@jacky> tnx
[07:32]<+camerongray> kk
[07:39]<+camerongray> Stupid dell and their proprietary connectors
[07:39]<@jacky> connecting to what?
[07:39]<+camerongray> Front panel
[07:39]<@jacky> thinking...
[07:39]<+camerongray> The USB, and headphone go through a ribbon cable rather than normal headers
[07:39]<@jacky> to me, those are just little flat 2 prong connectors
[07:40]<@jacky> aren't they 2 prong?
[07:40]<@jacky> I'm thinking audio and mic, aren't I?
[07:40]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:41]<+camerongray> Well, the headers are flat and have 4 holes AFIK
[07:41]<@jacky> trying to fix a Dell for somebody?
[07:41]<+camerongray> Sort of
[07:41]<+camerongray> I manage IT for a youth club
[07:41]<+camerongray> They get 3 brand new Win7 laptops yet insist we still have the old desktops in use
[07:42]<+camerongray> Trying to get them useable again
[07:42]<+camerongray> This one is 100% proprietary! Even the motherboard and PSU
[07:43]<+camerongray> I just really hope nothing goes bad in it
[07:43]<+camerongray> Although it was free :P
[07:43]<+camerongray> They all were
[07:44]<+camerongray> 2 were found at the dump
[07:44]<@jacky> I seem to remember rading that about Dell's. was it power supplies, especially? that were proprietary?
[07:44]<+camerongray> Yeah
[07:44]<@jacky> but, didn't I also read that Dell was getting away from that?
[07:44]<@jacky> becoming more main stream?
[07:44]<+camerongray> They did, this is 2004
[07:44]<@jacky> so... are those desktops really old?
[07:44]<@jacky> aha
[07:44]<+camerongray> We even have a PC built from several broken ones found at dumps :P
[07:45]<+camerongray> I think it's currently a packard bell in an HP case
[07:46]<+camerongray> I've built a custom linux distro that just launches Opera in kiosk mode so all people can do is go online
[07:47]<+camerongray> Just can;t get sound to work
[07:51]<@jacky> what is kiosk mode?
[07:51]<+camerongray> Basically runs the browser full screen with no way to close it
[07:51]<+camerongray> Blocks downloading
[07:51]<@jacky> interesting
[07:51]<@jacky> how do you make it do that?
[07:51]<+camerongray> And erases any browsing data on quit
[07:51]<+camerongray> Start it from command line with -kioskmode flag
[07:52]<+camerongray> There are several more flags to do different things
[07:52]<@jacky> cool
[07:53]<@jacky> got drivers for your sound?
[07:53]<+camerongray> Nope
[07:53]<@jacky> is that a problem sometimes, with linux?
[07:53]<+camerongray> Not usually as distros come with them
[07:53]<+camerongray> It's because I;m building the distro
[07:53]<@jacky> can't 'borrow' them, from some other distro?
[07:54]<+camerongray> Yeah - just need to know the right oens
[07:54]<+camerongray> ones*
[07:55]<@jacky> ok
[08:14]<+camerongray> Tux2?
[08:15]<@jacky> !lastspoke tux2
[08:29]<+camerongray> Ooh - windows 8 consumer preview is now available to download
[08:30]<+camerongray> Time to laugh at it and be glad I bought a mac
[08:30]<+camerongray> Mainly due to the removal of the start menu
[08:31]<+camerongray> I predict that Windows 8 will be like vista - people will hate it and then Windows 9 will be good
[08:33]<+camerongray> I just don't know what MS are thinking!
[08:36]<@jacky> you don't know?
[08:36]<@jacky> why.... that's easy
[08:36]<@jacky> make money
[08:36]<+camerongray> lol
[08:36]<@jacky> :)
[08:36]<+camerongray> I can see people not buying it
[08:36]<@jacky> as for 8 sucking, and 9 being good.... that would follow the pattern
[08:36]<@jacky> not buying it? haven't you observed?
[08:36]<@jacky> how it goes, in the past?
[08:37]<+camerongray> Yeah, people still will
[08:37]<@jacky> people "buy" it, with new computers. Dell, etc.
[08:37]<+camerongray> Well, they still have a Start SCREEN! Nice big touch screen interface :L
[08:37]<@jacky> seperate us... hobbiests... from the masses
[08:37]<@jacky> we are a severe minority
[08:37]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:37]<@jacky> think banks, big businesses, etc. THEY buy lots of computers
[08:38]<+camerongray> Might be like vista - people downgrade to XP - I did that to many non-technical people
[08:38]<@jacky> and what happened?
[08:38]<@jacky> by the time the smoke settled
[08:38]<@jacky> like a couple years
[08:38]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:38]<@jacky> go by
[08:38]<@jacky> out comes Win7
[08:38]<@jacky> hehehee
[08:38]<+camerongray> Yeah - even consumers replace PCs so quickly
[08:38]<@jacky> and around we go again
[08:38]<@jacky> oh
[08:38]<@jacky> what is a Start Screen?
[08:38]<@jacky> something new?
[08:38]<+camerongray> Imagine start menu but full screen
[08:39]<@jacky> Wow!
[08:39]<@jacky> Amazing!!!
[08:39]<@jacky> I can hardly wait!!
[08:39]<+camerongray> There are people at school going "Oh, your laptop is nearly 2 years old, get a new one!"
[08:39]<@Mulreay> heh
[08:39]<@jacky> gotta go buy it!!!!
[08:39]<@jacky> now!!!!!!!
[08:39]<@jacky> hehehe
[08:39]<+camerongray> People tend to buy the cheapest they can and then think it's slow because it's a year old
[08:39]<@jacky> "Oh, your laptop is nearly 2 years old, get a new one!" <<< reply with, "Why?" and listen
[08:39]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:39]<+camerongray> Usually, it will be all slow
[08:40]<@jacky> in 2 years?
[08:40]<@jacky> slow... doing what?
[08:40]<+camerongray> Like I said, they are used to really cheap ones
[08:40]<+camerongray> And clog them up with junk
[08:40]<+camerongray> I just show them opening word on an SSD
[08:40]<+camerongray> Click - Open
[08:40]<+camerongray> Less than a second
[08:40]<+camerongray> Boot - 20secs
[08:40]<+camerongray> Login, 5 secs
[08:41]<@jacky> but... that's expensive, isn't it?
[08:41]<@jacky> :)
[08:41]<+camerongray> ?50
[08:41]<+camerongray> REALLY worth it
[08:41]<@jacky> !google 50 pounds in USD =
[08:41]<@jacky> interesting
[08:41]<@jacky> how big is the drive?
[08:41]<+camerongray> 60gb
[08:41]<@jacky> and how long do they forecast them to last?
[08:41]<+camerongray> I'd always have a HDD as main storage
[08:41]<@jacky> with all the read/write?
[08:42]<+camerongray> not sure - will check
[08:42]<@Mulreay> 2 yrs and SSD will start to replace HDD for boot purposes as standatrd in all laptops and PC's with little extra cost
[08:42]<+camerongray> Intel say 20years with 5gb writes a day
[08:42]<@jacky> <+camerongray> I'd always have a HDD as main storage << I wonder ... will software designers quickly accomodate?... by having the installer prompt for drive to install on, and to store on?
[08:42]<+camerongray> Yeah - that's a pain
[08:43]<@jacky> with 5gb writes a day <<<< I'd need help with that one. meaning... what is typical anyway? I have no idea.
[08:43]<@jacky> Mulreay: Hello
[08:43]<+camerongray> Probably about that
[08:43]<@Mulreay> hey jacky hey camerongray
[08:43]<+camerongray> When I get my MacBook Pro (2 weeks :D) I'll put an SSD in as the boot drive then install the hard drive in place of the DVD Drive
[08:43]<+camerongray> Fast with plenty storage :P
[08:44]<@jacky> then, cut in half a time or two, to allow for Intel's exaggeration (called 'marketing') heheheehehe
[08:44]<+camerongray> And I never use DVDs - Even if I do I'm going to install the drive into an external enclosure
[08:44]<@Mulreay> Are you not limited with speed due to USB though?
[08:44]<@Mulreay> oh DVD drive?
[08:45]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:45]<+camerongray> The SSD and HDD are both on SATA III
[08:45]<@jacky> I'd think.. that as it is now.... that the "average" user, would not use a SSD as I think you are using it. That is... install OS and programs on it, for speed... and have the program store your files on the hd.
[08:45]<@Mulreay> cool
[08:45]<@jacky> they just wouldn't take time to figure it out, etc.
[08:45]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:45]<@jacky> human nature
[08:46]<+camerongray> What I did on mine is set it to store my windows profile on the HDD, desktop, my documents.etc
[08:46]<+camerongray> Had 20gb free after a year usage
[08:46]<+camerongray> But not using it ATM since I'm using Mac OS on an HDD
[08:47]<+camerongray> I'll put the SSD in the macbook as I need that to be fast since I'll be turning it on and off all day
[08:47]<@jacky> store my windows profile on the HDD <<< wouldn't you wan that on SSD, for speed when logging in?
[08:47]<+camerongray> Yeah but it saves worry about filling the SSD
[08:48]<@jacky> lost me
[08:48]<@jacky> that would fill drive?
[08:48]<+camerongray> Files will automatically save to my documents
[08:48]<+camerongray> Which if on the SSD would fill it
[08:48]<@jacky> I thought profile is just your log in info
[08:48]<+camerongray> It's also your documents folder and desktop .etc
[08:49]<@jacky> oh.. you mean the dir structure?
[08:49]<@jacky> ok
[08:49]<+camerongray> yeah
[08:49]<@jacky> CAN you seperate them?
[08:49]<@jacky> your log in info... for speed
[08:49]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:49]<@jacky> from the dir structure, etc.?
[08:49]<+camerongray> Just move the folders individaully
[08:49]<@jacky> that would the thing to do, wouldn't it?
[08:49]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:50]<@jacky> but again... would installed programs.. that default to "My Documents" etc.
[08:50]<@jacky> know where to look?
[08:50]<@jacky> for the 'new' one, on the HD?
[08:50]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:50]<@jacky> how?
[08:50]<+camerongray> Windows tells them where it is
[08:50]<@jacky> thinking...
[08:50]<@jacky> how do you tell windows itself, where it is?
[08:50]<+camerongray> There is an option somewhere
[08:51]<@jacky> ok
[08:51]<+camerongray> I found it by poking around a bit
[08:51]<@jacky> not a big deal.. just thinking out loud
[08:51]<@jacky> tnx
[08:51]<@jacky> you sound like a Mac convert now
[08:51]<@jacky> heheeh
[08:51]<@jacky> liking it?
[08:51]<+camerongray> lol
[08:51]<+camerongray> hackintosh :P
[08:51]<@jacky> lost me
[08:51]<@jacky> sorry
[08:51]<+camerongray> I have MacOS on my PC
[08:52]<@jacky> isn't Mac's os linux? or darn close?
[08:52]<+camerongray> Based on UNIX
[08:52]<+camerongray> Got a great deal on the macbook too - ?999 normally, ?859 with student discount. Apple charge ?160 for 8gb RAM so I buy 8gb for ?30 on Amazon. Apple charge ?160 for an SSD, I get a super fast one for ?99
[08:52]<@jacky> "or darn close" ?
[08:52]<+camerongray> Pretty close yeah
[08:52]<+camerongray> Terminal commands are exactly the same
[08:52]<@jacky> thought so
[08:53]<+camerongray> I like running macos on my PC, I get the OS but still am able to tinker with hardware
[08:53]<@jacky> that's got to influence the mac os solidness and reliability, etc.
[08:53]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:53]<@jacky> how did you get the os, to be able to install it on a pc?
[08:53]<+camerongray> The only issue is that it's hard to make PC hardware play nice
[08:53]<+camerongray> A LOT of tweaking and yelling at it
[08:54]<@jacky> "The only issue is that it's hard to make PC hardware play nice" <<<< isn't this what the linux users used to say? hheh
[08:54]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:54]<+camerongray> lol
[08:54]<@jacky> how did you get the os, to be able to install it on a pc?
[08:54]<+camerongray> I'm using my s
[08:54]<+camerongray> oops
[08:54]<+camerongray> Retail DVD with a few tweaks
[08:54]<@jacky> tweaks?
[08:54]<+camerongray> New kernel
[08:54]<@jacky> compiled it yourself?
[08:55]<+camerongray> nah :P
[08:55]<@jacky> ah
[08:55]<+camerongray> Plenty of kernel developers
[08:55]<+camerongray> Still wish I knew how to compile a kernel
[08:55]<@jacky> interesting stuff
[08:55]<+camerongray> Still no kernel for Lion on AM
[08:55]<+camerongray> AMD*
[08:55]<@jacky> compile? in linux or for mac os?
[08:55]<+camerongray> For Mac os
[08:55]<@jacky> it has to be compiled different, for AMD cpu ?
[08:56]<+camerongray> Yeah
[08:56]<+camerongray> Mainly for support
[08:56]<+camerongray> Drivers.etc
[08:56]<@jacky> regular linux doesn't.. does it?
[08:56]<+camerongray> It's built to run on anything
[08:56]<@jacky> thought so... ... I don't keep up
[08:56]<+camerongray> Mac OS is only designed for a handful of systems
[08:56]<@jacky> why are you doing mac os, instead of just doing linux though?
[08:56]<+camerongray> More programs
[08:57]<@jacky> ah
[08:57]<+camerongray> Especially for video editing
[08:57]<@jacky> really?
[08:57]<@jacky> as big as the linux world is...
[08:57]<@jacky> interesting
[08:57]<+camerongray> Very few decent ones on linux
[08:57]<+camerongray> Mac is the main OS for creative stuff
[08:57]<@jacky> I know that... years ago... Macs were better than pc's for graphics
[08:57]<@jacky> a company I worked for used them
[08:57]<+camerongray> Cool
[08:58]<@jacky> and a friend... he was a printer... would only use macs
[08:58]<@jacky> and they paid
[08:58]<@jacky> too
[08:58]<@jacky> whew
[08:58]<+camerongray> lol
[08:58]<+camerongray> They are expensive
[08:58]<@jacky> I forget now... what he explained to me... why mac was better for his graphics stuff
[08:58]<+camerongray> Just used to have more advanced hardware and software
[08:58]<+camerongray> Windows has caught up though
[08:58]<@jacky> I think it was a basic design difference
[08:59]<@jacky> in how it drew on the screen
[08:59]<+camerongray> Possibly
[08:59]<@jacky> the pc could not make as smooth of lines with curves
[08:59]<@jacky> but
[08:59]<@jacky> tha is a lont time ago
[08:59]<@jacky> I could have it mixed up
[08:59]<@jacky> that just seems to ring a bell
[09:00]<+camerongray> The reason I went for a macbook over a pc laptop with mac os is due to the fact that some hardware might not work and laptops are not nearly as easy to replace stuff on
[09:00]<+camerongray> Last thing I want is to spend money on a laptop to find the graphics are not supported
[09:00]<+camerongray> Plus the macbook has 7 hours battery
[09:01]<@jacky> that some hardware might not work <<<< huh?
[09:01]<@jacky> laptop? it is all built in, isn't it?
[09:02]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:02]<+camerongray> The graphics card might not be supported
[09:02]<+camerongray> On a desktop you can change to a supported one
[09:02]<@jacky> lost me
[09:02]<+camerongray> On a laptop you are stuck
[09:02]<@jacky> with what comes with it
[09:02]<@jacky> ohhh
[09:02]<@jacky> now I see what you said
[09:02]<+camerongray> yeah
[09:03]<+camerongray> Plus the macbook is shiny
[09:03]<@jacky> har
[09:03]<+camerongray> I love the "Magsafe" charger - the power connector is held in magnetically so if you trip it just pops out
[09:03]<+camerongray> Rather than taking the laptop with it
[09:03]<@jacky> you trip a lot, huh?
[09:03]<@jacky> heh
[09:03]<+camerongray> Or breaking the socket
[09:04]<+camerongray> lol - mainly at school
[09:04]<@jacky> lay off the beer
[09:04]<@jacky> heh
[09:04]<+camerongray> Sitting in common room, person runs in, crash :P
[09:04]<+camerongray> Lucky it came out at the wall
[09:04]<@jacky> knock him in the head, person learns.
[09:04]<+camerongray> lol
[09:04]<@jacky> well.. it is true
[09:04]<@jacky> hehehe
[09:05]<+camerongray> It's a very good design though
[09:05]<+camerongray> And the touchpad! - Made of glass, sooooo smooth
[09:07]<@jacky> Wow!
[09:07]<@jacky> gotta have one!!!
[09:07]<@jacky> amazing!!!1
[09:07]<@jacky> hehehe
[09:07]<+camerongray> lol
[09:07]<@jacky> dip your pc in vegatable oil... it'll be smooth
[09:07]<@jacky> heh
[09:07]<+camerongray> lol
[09:08]<@jacky> !lastspoke tux2
[09:08]<+camerongray> 16:10 screen, so much nicer than 16:9
[09:08]<@jacky> can't comment... I'd have to research and learn
[09:08]<+camerongray> Just that little bit more height
[09:08]<+Tux2> camerongray: what's up?
[09:08]<+camerongray> Hey!
[09:08]<@jacky> Tux2: I have question for you too... when camerongray is done
[09:08]<+camerongray> 1) To get sound in a linux distro is it alsa I need
[09:08]<+camerongray> ?
[09:08]<+Tux2> lol, I should be sleeping, but I was watching a video
[09:09]<+Tux2> yes camerongray
[09:09]<+camerongray> Coo
[09:09]<+camerongray> Cool
[09:09]<+camerongray> 2) People stole stuff from the mall chest
[09:09]<+camerongray> http://tux2mc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?showtopic=336
[09:09]<+Tux2> Netflix in a windows VM, HD res
[09:09]<+camerongray> lol
[09:10]<+Tux2> And that's why I HAD the protection on the mall camerongray
[09:10]<+camerongray> lol
[09:10]<+camerongray> Yeah - probably best to put it back on :P
[09:10]<+camerongray> Just never give me permission to change large blocks :P
[09:10]<+Tux2> lol
[09:11]<+camerongray> "TUX! I replaced the spawn town with a big lump of bedrock while trying to open a door"
[09:11]<+Tux2> lol!
[09:11]<@Mulreay> awesome :)
[09:11]<+camerongray> See what you're missing jacky, you non-minecraft person :P
[09:11]<+Tux2> Okay, what's up jacky?
[09:11]<@jacky> heh
[09:12]<@jacky> Tux2: yesterday (or maybe the day before.. .would have to look) I saw Tuxreminder and another bot.. Googleunobot or something like that.. z-lined
[09:12]<@jacky> what's up with that?
[09:12]<+Tux2> I'm trying to get that resolved
[09:12]<@jacky> err... ok
[09:12]<@jacky> what's up with that?
[09:12]<+Tux2> Only description given was (bots)
[09:13]<@jacky> I saw that
[09:13]<@jacky> what did they say?
[09:13]<+Tux2> I haven't gotten a response back yet
[09:13]<@jacky> ohhh
[09:13]<@jacky> <+Tux2> I'm trying to get that resolved <<< sounds like a conversation
[09:13]<@jacky> you've written, and no response, eh?
[09:13]<@jacky> typical....
[09:13]<@jacky> heheheeh
[09:13]<+camerongray> Tux2: And Timmy stole my bed :P
[09:13]<+Tux2> Sorry, I sent an email about 12 hours ago
[09:13]<@jacky> oh
[09:14]<+Tux2> Trying meaning I've started a conversation
[09:14]<@jacky> there's a channel here for that stuff too, isnt' there. would you get faster responses there?
[09:14]<+Tux2> They were all offline
[09:14]<@jacky> <@jacky> typical....
[09:14]<@jacky> heheh
[09:14]<+Tux2> lol
[09:14]<@jacky> well... good luck with it
[09:15]<+Tux2> Thanks. :)
[09:15]<@jacky> let's hope it is just an error on their part
[09:15]<+Tux2> I don't want to do ban evasion, that's for sure
[09:15]<@jacky> if you see pottsi come online, you could ask him to look into it for you, couldn't you?
[09:15]<+Tux2> yeah, exactly, or resolve what was getting them z:lined in the first place
[09:15]<+Tux2> Probably
[09:15]<+Tux2> I've just been watching videos instead of sleeping...
[09:16]<+camerongray> lol
[09:16]<@jacky> resolve what was getting them z:lined in the first place <<< well... if it was intentional... and to give you nothing more than (bots) is kind of a lame thing for them to do
[09:16]<+Tux2> Exactly
[09:16]<@jacky> those bots have been online for a long time
[09:16]<+Tux2> Especially since I wasn't violating any of their TOS
[09:16]<@jacky> you'd know if you recently changed something
[09:17]<@jacky> what is in their TOS?... anything specific to bots?
[09:18]<+Tux2> In the event that bots, auto-connect or any other use of automation by you is found to be excessive we reserve the right to review your account with you and recommend alternative use. If excessive use of bots, auto-connect or automation continues over an extended period we reserve the right to revoke your access to the site. You may not use or run bots designed to spam, flood, act as trojan or zombies. Friendly bots are welcome.
[09:19]<+Tux2> I did take all my bots down from trying to reconnect after I found out they were zlined
[09:19]<@Mulreay> sounds odd
[09:20]<+Tux2> Exactly, hopefully it is something silly that I can fix if it was intentional on their part
[09:20]<@jacky> all of them were z-lined??
[09:20]<+Tux2> They are all on one IP
[09:20]<+Tux2> a z-line is IP specific
[09:21]<@jacky> you only had two then?
[09:21]<+Tux2> Only one IP was z-lined
[09:21]<@jacky> and it had two bots total?
[09:21]<+Tux2> I'm thinking it may have been my bouncer
[09:21]<+Tux2> no, it had 4 bots total
[09:22]<+Tux2> plus bouncer
[09:22]<@jacky> ok.. I saw only two.. must be different chans. np
[09:22]<+Tux2> Yup, 2 are channel specific
[09:22]<@jacky> you have bots that dont' enter channels?? heheeheh
[09:22]<+Tux2> lol, they are bots the coding team I'm in use
[09:23]<+Tux2> RSS feeds and jenkins builds
[09:23]<@jacky> Mulreay, Tux2, camerongray : a user on the eggdrop forum is looking for help with putting his channel's logs online. I've pm'd him to come here to talk about it. Just an fyi, if a "stranger" appears... so we can make him feel welcome. :)
[09:23]<@jacky> Tux2: cool
[09:24]<+camerongray> kk
[09:24]<@jacky> !say *logs*
[09:24]<@jacky> !say online_logs
[09:24]<@jacky> !say nicer_online_logs
[09:24]<+camerongray> I'm playing minecraft so say my name if you need me
[09:24]<@jacky> that one.. the "nicer" is the one I gave him a link to, and he said he liked it
[09:24]<@jacky> camerongray: ok
[09:24]<+camerongray> *hint*Minecraft*hint*jacky*hint*
[09:24]<@jacky> camerongray: we don't need you right now
[09:24]<@jacky> camerongray: ok?
[09:24]<@jacky> camerongray: we won't bother you
[09:24]<+camerongray> lol
[09:24]<@jacky> camerongray: much
[09:25]<@jacky> heheheehe
[09:25]<@jacky> Tux2: well... when you get it settled, if you don't mind, fill me in. If there are pitfalls to be avoided, I'd like to know about them.
[09:25]<@jacky> tnx
[09:26]<+Tux2> Gotcha jacky, I'll make sure to inform you
[09:26]<@jacky> again: luck on you
[09:26]<@jacky> :)
[09:27]<+Tux2> :)
[09:27]<+Tux2> Going to bed now... really need the 4 hours rest I'm going to get...
[09:27] * @jacky waves
[09:27]<@jacky> zzzZZZZzzz
[09:27]<@jacky> :)
[09:31]<+camerongray> lol
[09:34]<+camerongray> You really should get Minecraft though - Very fun!
[09:34]<+camerongray> It looks boring until you play it!
[09:35]<@Mulreay> I don't think it's aimed at his demographic :p
[09:35]<+camerongray> It's for everyone!
[09:36]<@jacky> <@Mulreay> I don't think it's aimed at his demographic :p <<< how diplomatic!
[09:36]<@jacky> heheheeh
[09:36]<@Mulreay> lol, I try :p
[09:36]<@jacky> yeah, sure, right
[09:36]<+camerongray> jacky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MmB9b5njVbA
[09:36]<@jacky> hehehehe
[09:38]<@jacky> camerongray: the problem would be: time. it looks like one of those things that can be downright addictive
[09:38]<@jacky> :)
[09:38]<+camerongray> It can be yeah
[09:38]<+camerongray> But not if you are careful
[09:39]<+camerongray> I usually just play it when I'm not doing anything
[09:39]<+camerongray> It's not the sort of game that stops you doing other things
[09:40]<@jacky> exactly.
[09:40]<@jacky> heh
[09:40]<+camerongray> And you can play on the server with loads of people
[09:40]<+camerongray> It's a mini community :P
[09:40]<@jacky> how much do I get paid?
[09:40]<@jacky> <g>
[09:40]<+camerongray> You get paid in Tux :P
[09:40]<+camerongray> Guess who though that up
[09:40]<@jacky> oh great... I'll get z-lined
[09:41]<+camerongray> How?
[09:41]<@jacky> beats me... just kidding Tux...
[09:42]<+camerongray> ahh :P
[09:42]<+camerongray> There's a mini economy too
[09:42]<@jacky> har... that's what the world has now, isn't it? a "mini" economy, instead of a real one?
[09:43]<+camerongray> lol
[09:43]<+camerongray> You can make shops
[09:43]<+camerongray> Sell items or services
[09:44]<@Mulreay> How do you find out your Tux balance?
[09:44]<+camerongray> ./money
[09:44]<@Mulreay> thanks cam
[09:44]<@jacky> you were serious?
[09:44]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:44]<@Mulreay> I only have 734.02 tux
[09:45]<@jacky> oh.. sorry.. I thought it was a joke
[09:45]<@jacky> hehe
[09:45]<+camerongray> lol
[09:45]<+camerongray> It makes it interesting
[09:45]<@jacky> what if you play elsehwere?
[09:45]<+camerongray> Depends on the server
[09:45]<@jacky> I mean.. does Tux own the whole thing?
[09:45]<@jacky> oh.. wait
[09:45]<@jacky> are they individual?
[09:45]<@jacky> or are the servers tied together too?
[09:45]<+camerongray> You can set up a server - they are separate
[09:45]<+camerongray> Like IRC servers
[09:45]<@jacky> meaning: is it one big fat world wide game?
[09:46]<@jacky> you play on Tux's, right?
[09:46]<+camerongray> No - Each server has it's own maps
[09:46]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:46]<@jacky> is it hooked up with others?
[09:46]<@Mulreay> I may add a tower onto my house called the 'Big Tower of I'm Watching You' with may be a sub note of 'Mwahahaha'. What do you think?
[09:46]<+camerongray> No - Tux's server is on it's own with 3 different worlds to play on
[09:46]<@jacky> ok
[09:46]<+camerongray> It can handle 50 people at a time
[09:46]<@jacky> how many play, total?
[09:47]<@Mulreay> We had 27 the other day
[09:47]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:47]<@jacky> wow
[09:47]<+camerongray> getting bigger every day
[09:47]<@jacky> how does he advertise it?
[09:47]<+camerongray> On the minecraft forum
[09:47]<@Mulreay> Word of mouth and what not
[09:47]<@jacky> the forum is what does it then.
[09:47]<@jacky> cool
[09:48]<+camerongray> http://www.minecraftforum.net/topic/259400-tux2s-minecraft-server-247-looking-for-players-bukkit30-slotsurvivalcreativespout/
[09:48]<@Mulreay> Some of us also make Youtube videos and link the server in the discription
[09:49]<@jacky> ok
[09:49]<+camerongray> Here are some pictures of the server: http://tux2mc.com/mediagallery/album.php?aid=1&sort=0
[09:51]<@jacky> I tend to think of this: http://www.ibspro.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/inside_pc.jpeg when thinking of "pictures of server"
[09:51]<@jacky> heheheeh
[09:51]<+camerongray> lol
[09:51]<+camerongray> You really should get it though :P
[09:52]<@jacky> I'll take it under advisement
[09:52]<@jacky> <g>
[09:52]<+camerongray> lol
[09:52]<@jacky> actually... spring is coming... I'll have less time for anything computer related
[09:52]<+camerongray> Nooooo
[09:52]<+camerongray> http://www.minecraft.net/store
[09:52]<+camerongray> http://www.minecraft.net/store
[09:52]<+camerongray> http://www.minecraft.net/store
[09:52]<+camerongray> lol
[09:52]<@jacky> I'm getting your rain... right now. cold and damp
[09:52]<+camerongray> ahh
[09:53]<@jacky> store?
[09:53]<@jacky> you have to buy it??
[09:53]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:53]<+camerongray> Aww :(
[09:53]<+camerongray> :P
[09:53]<@jacky> well.. you could have saved yourself a lot of typing, if you'd said that first
[09:53]<@jacky> heheheehe
[09:53]<+camerongray> lol
[09:53]<@jacky> if it is popular, isn't it pirated all over everywhere though?
[09:54]<+camerongray> Pirated copies can't play on servers
[09:54]<@jacky> why not?
[09:54]<+camerongray> Since it will authenticate with minecraft's server
[09:54]<@jacky> then it is not truly "pirated".. sounds like "copied"
[09:54]<@jacky> hehe
[09:54]<+camerongray> Craig bought me a gift code :D
[09:54]<@jacky> that was nice
[09:54]<+camerongray> Yeah
[09:55]<@Mulreay> Craig bought me Terraria...you should speak to Craig hehe
[09:55]<+camerongray> I used to be like you, "It costs money" "I don't have time" .etc
[09:55]<+camerongray> Then I got it
[09:55]<@Mulreay> Now your never off it
[09:55]<+camerongray> hahaha
[09:55]<@jacky> since I don't know what a Terraria is... it sounds like some sort of disease... I might not even WANT it
[09:55]<@jacky> hehehehee
[09:56]<@Mulreay> heh
[09:56]<@jacky> it is what you keep your pet lizard in, right?
[09:56]<@jacky> looks like an aquarium, but not full of water
[09:56]<@jacky> :)
[09:57]<@Mulreay> heh
[09:59]<+camerongray> You can play early versions of minecraft for free
[09:59]<+camerongray> But can't play on the server
[10:00]<+camerongray> And you have infinite items so no mining
[10:00]<+camerongray> http://www.minecraft.net/classic/play
[10:00]<@jacky> (this guy ought'a be a used car salesman... he just don't quit)
[10:00]<@jacky> hehehehe
[10:00]<+camerongray> hahaha
[10:01]<+camerongray> If you buy it now I'll throw in a free air freshener
[10:01]<@jacky> har
[10:01]<+camerongray> You should cry to Craig :P
[10:02]<+camerongray> I really should donate to the server
[10:02]<@jacky> no need to cry
[10:02]<+camerongray> lol
[10:02]<@jacky> you are going to donate an air freshener??
[10:02]<@jacky> :)
[10:02]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[10:02]<@jacky> well... that's what you said
[10:02]<@jacky> hehehe
[10:03]<+camerongray> Once I have money I'll donate to the server
[10:03]<+camerongray> Loads of people are
[10:03]<@jacky> so you can buy an air freshener?
[10:03]<@jacky> heh
[10:03]<+camerongray> hahaah!
[10:06]<+camerongray> We also occasionally play over Skype
[10:06]<+camerongray> That's always fun!
[10:07]<@jacky> I bet
[10:07]<@jacky> the accents must be interesting
[10:09]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:09]<+camerongray> BC, Tux, Mulreay and more
[10:10]<@jacky> where is tux from? ... I forget
[10:10]<+camerongray> Wyoming
[10:10]<@jacky> what country/region?
[10:10]<@Mulreay> Canada, America, Scotland and England mostly
[10:10]<+camerongray> Well, Used to be in Colorado
[10:10]<@jacky> if he was born there, he'd have a twang then
[10:10]<@jacky> I'm reminded of street1
[10:10]<@jacky> never spoke to him
[10:10]<@jacky> but he was from Georgia
[10:10]<@jacky> if you've ever talked to them...
[10:11]<@jacky> :)
[10:11]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:11]<+camerongray> Actually - Mulreay - Didn't BC record that adventure?
[10:12]<@Mulreay> Yeah, the first part is up on his channel
[10:12]<@jacky> Mulreay: does camerongray roll his R's ?
[10:12]<@jacky> :)
[10:12]<+camerongray> lol - I don't think I do
[10:13]<@jacky> hehe
[10:14]<+camerongray> See for yourself: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGy2Ke6KF4Y
[10:14]<+camerongray> Microphone isn't great though
[10:14]<@jacky> "See" ?
[10:14]<@jacky> that's what we do here
[10:14]<@jacky> heheeh
[10:14]<+camerongray> lol - Hear
[10:14]<@jacky> heh
[10:15]<+camerongray> Still need to figure out the new camera
[10:15]<@jacky> who's that, talking about the TV?
[10:15]<+camerongray> Me
[10:15]<+camerongray> lol
[10:15]<@jacky> "unforrrrrtunately" , he says
[10:15]<@jacky> heheheeh
[10:15]<+camerongray> lol
[10:16]<+camerongray> New video possibly tomorrow if I get the product on time
[10:16]<+camerongray> And said phone will be given away!
[10:16]<@jacky> I'd have called it an English accent, and I'm sure that you all can easily differentiate
[10:16]<+camerongray> yeah
[10:17]<+camerongray> I can't tell states apart but you can
[10:17]<@jacky> ( I can get Australia and English accents mixed up)
[10:17]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:17]<+camerongray> lol just noticed that I need a new tripod - How tilted is that video!
[10:17]<@jacky> I can't do the finer points, of the states. Like Georgia vs Tennessee... they are both just "southern" to me
[10:18]<@jacky> THEY can, though
[10:18]<@jacky> some tilt
[10:18]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:18]<@jacky> am I missing anything special, if I end it now?
[10:18]<+camerongray> That was also the first video with the new camera so needed to get used to manual focus
[10:18]<+camerongray> nah
[10:18]<@jacky> good.. the weather forecast is on tv now
[10:18]<@jacky> hehe
[10:19]<@jacky> 12:19 pm here
[10:19]<+camerongray> lol
[10:19]<@Mulreay> This is me actually on one of the worlds on tux's server
[10:19]<@Mulreay> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfRBif4uxQ&feature=g-user-u&context=G2c0c324UCGXQYbcTJ33Z-bcr2Yi57cGcvF6bwBJgofnAu4VE3XPI
[10:19]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:19]<+camerongray> I love the new camera so much - I can do the background out of focus, foreground in focus thing
[10:20]<+camerongray> Canon EOS 600D
[10:20]<@jacky> Mulreay: low volume. but definitely English. :)
[10:20]<+camerongray> lol
[10:22]<@jacky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zSm4enKiZM
[10:22]<@jacky> that sounds typical... the 5 seconds I listened to it
[10:22]<@jacky> heheeh
[10:25]<+camerongray> Mulreay: Can you find the video of out adventure on MC?
[10:25]<@jacky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KInKaNpt33Y
[10:26]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:30]<+FusRoDah> That was the adventure bc, craig and myself went on
[10:30]<+FusRoDah> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zlm02Kfliak&feature=g-user-u
[10:30]<+camerongray> Cool
[10:31]<@Mulreay> I have about a 3hr video un-rendered etc from that massive dig we ALL went on
[10:31]<+camerongray> FusRoDah: What's your minecraft name?
[10:31]<+camerongray> Oh :P
[10:31]<@Mulreay> It's me
[10:31]<+camerongray> lol
[10:31]<@Mulreay> It's my PC
[10:32]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:32]<+camerongray> I miss Craig :P
[10:32]<@Mulreay> yeah
[10:32]<+camerongray> Do you have a video of the one I was on?
[10:33]<@Mulreay> Yeah, the long 3hr one.. just never got around to doing anything with it
[10:34]<@Mulreay> I was thinking may be it would be cool for a 4th world on the server where a few us make an adventure map together
[10:35]<@jacky> (getting something to eat... be back soon)
[10:35]<@Mulreay> enoy
[10:35]<@Mulreay> enjoy*
[10:46]<@Mulreay> Mmm re-installing XP on the other laptop had had a massive negative effect on res
[10:52] * antiemp (antiemp@mib-6D0952BF.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) has joined #glitchpc
[10:53]<antiemp> jacky mentioned to me you may have a way to easily push logs to an http server via a python script
[10:53]<antiemp> in an attempt not to reinvent the wheel, wondering if you'd be able to lend some assistance
[10:54] * FusRoDah (mulreay@mib-608723A8.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: Smoke me a Kipper, I'll be back for breakfast!)
[10:55]<+camerongray> jacky!
[10:55]<+camerongray> He said that he's getting something to eat and will be back soon
[10:55]<@Mulreay> Hey antiemp the man you need is not here right now sorry.. he's called BC_Programming.. he may be along later
[10:57]<@Mulreay> Yeah, Jacky brought him here but it was BC that did the original script for his site :)
[10:57]<+camerongray> ahh
[10:58]<@Mulreay> Unless you know python :p
[10:59]<@Mulreay> Which knowing you I wouldn't put it passed you
[10:59]<+camerongray> lol
[10:59]<+camerongray> The answer is not yet :P
[10:59]<antiemp> cool, thanks
[10:59]<@Mulreay> heh, on the to-do list
[10:59]<@jacky> (eating lunch... give me a few minutes... )
[10:59]<@Mulreay> Your welcome to hang about antiemp and see if he turns up but his connection is a bit dodgy of late
[11:00]<antiemp> no worries
[11:00]<+camerongray> Oh yeah jacky: BC's tour of the server: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgByZeELFv
[11:00]<+camerongray> Old map but still shows what we do
[11:00]<+camerongray> BC's humour
[11:00]<@Mulreay> I have one of those...somewhere
[11:01]<@Mulreay> May make a new one tonight with all the new worlds on
[11:01]<+camerongray> YAY!
[11:01]<+camerongray> And poke jacky with it
[11:01]<@Mulreay> heh yeah
[11:02]<@Mulreay> First I need to talk to my Landlord brb
[11:02]<antiemp> yt link not working ;_;
[11:02]<+camerongray> Oh
[11:02]<+camerongray> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgByZeELFv8
[11:02]<+camerongray> Missed the end
[11:02]<antiemp> yep, was missing the 8
[11:03]<antiemp> oh minecraft <3
[11:03]<@jacky> antiemp: Hello
[11:03]<+camerongray> YAY!
[11:03]<@jacky> antiemp: welcome
[11:03]<@jacky> still eating... but mostly here now
[11:03]<@jacky> :)
[11:03]<+camerongray> I'm trying to get jacky to get minecraft :P
[11:03]<@jacky> arggghhhh!
[11:03]<+camerongray> lol
[11:03]<antiemp> hey jacky
[11:04]<antiemp> enjoy the noms
[11:04]<@jacky> heh
[11:04]<@jacky> antiemp: got any other replies in the forum yet?
[11:05]<+camerongray> I miss that old map :P
[11:05]<+camerongray> Even the retarded bridge
[11:08]<antiemp> not at the moment
[11:08]<@jacky> ok
[11:08]<@jacky> np
[11:08]<@jacky> I think it was Mulreay.. above... said that BC_programming did a script
[11:08]<@jacky> he did
[11:08]<@jacky> I think it may be python
[11:08]<@jacky> would have to check
[11:08]<@jacky> I'm not a python person
[11:09]<@jacky> and to be honest... not even sure WHY anymore... wouldhave to try to remember
[11:09]<@jacky> there was something about the way the log was, that we didn't like
[11:09]<@jacky> and his script runs over it, and fixes that
[11:09]<@jacky> he prettied it up some.. with color too
[11:09]<@jacky> you saw it, online... right?
[11:13]<+camerongray> Time to try out windows 8
[11:13]<+camerongray> And weap!
[11:14]<@jacky> and get a grammar checker too
[11:14]<antiemp> yep, took a look at the online logs
[11:14]<@jacky> as that is "weep"
[11:14]<antiemp> looks nice
[11:14]<+camerongray> D'OH!
[11:14]<@jacky> antiemp: thinking back... I think we discovered that the way eggdrop creates logs
[11:14]<@jacky> does not lend itself to prsentation on a web page
[11:14]<@jacky> it might appear as one long sentence
[11:14]<@jacky> not sure though
[11:15]<@jacky> I do know that I found, and use, a script to do that logging
[11:15]<antiemp> it doesn't, it has line breaks
[11:15]<@jacky> will it display though?
[11:15]<@jacky> if simply loaded with a web browser?
[11:15]<antiemp> haven't exposed it to the http server yet
[11:15]<@jacky> give it a shot, and see if that is ok
[11:15]<antiemp> could write a script to had <br> on each newline
[11:15]<antiemp> *to add
[11:15]<@jacky> I really can't remember why we did it... but I use a script to do the logging
[11:16]<antiemp> something other than the 1.8 logging system?
[11:16]<@jacky> first question for you: do you have a seperate web server? or will your online logs be on same server as bot?
[11:16]<antiemp> same server most likely, it's our dev server and logs will be for devs only
[11:16]<antiemp> no reason to pump it to the web server
[11:16]<antiemp> nginx running on both as it is
[11:16]<@jacky> (ChanbotV is still on 1.6.20... I haven't up'd it to .21 )
[11:17]<@jacky> if you can keep logs on same box as bot, then things get easier
[11:17]<antiemp> gotcha, we're running the latest csv
[11:17]<antiemp> 1.8
[11:17]<antiemp> yar
[11:17]<@jacky> if you want the script name that I'm using to log... I can grab it real quck
[11:17]<@jacky> quick
[11:18]<@jacky> 
[11:18]<antiemp> that would be cool
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[11:18]<@jacky> ########################################################
[11:18]<@jacky> 
[11:19]<@jacky> 
[11:19]<antiemp> ah, formats them mIRC style
[11:19]<@jacky> that is copy n paste, right from the script's header
[11:19]<antiemp> cool
[11:19]<antiemp> http://mel.sourceforge.net/
[11:19]<@jacky> I got it from the TCL Archive, on www.egghelp.org
[11:19]<@jacky> not sure if your link is the exact same one or not
[11:20]<@jacky> but, you see the name Lanze so I know you can find the same one on www.egghelp.org, if you want it
[11:20]<@jacky> :)
[11:20]<@jacky> !info *log*
[11:20]<@jacky> !say *log*
[11:20]<@jacky> !say online_logs
[11:20]<@jacky> that link... is super plain jane
[11:21]<@jacky> same logs... just on a plain page
[11:21]<@jacky> 
[11:21]<@jacky> as for BC's script... BC used to be here almost 24/7. recently he has some sort of problems, so he checks in every now and then
[11:21]<@jacky> !seen bc_programming
[11:21]<@jacky> see?
[11:22]<antiemp> yeah, while ago
[11:22]<@jacky> As a basic courtesy to him, we should ask him before giving you a copy
[11:22]<@jacky> in the past, he has always been fine iwth it
[11:22]<antiemp> yep, makes good sense
[11:22]<@jacky> :)
[11:22]<@jacky> so.. feel free to hang around all you wish, here
[11:22]<@jacky> if you see him before I do, explain... and maybe he will email me and say "go for it"
[11:23]<antiemp> will do, thanks
[11:23]<@jacky> I'm looking on the shell now... for the damn script. heeheheh
[11:23]<@jacky> it has been so long since we did it
[11:23]<@jacky> you know how it goes? "set it and forget it"
[11:23]<antiemp> oh way too well
[11:24]<@jacky> by the way... is this your first bot?
[11:24]<@jacky> are you new to eggdrop?
[11:25]<antiemp> no
[11:25]<@jacky> cool
[11:25]<@jacky> and how about python?
[11:25]<antiemp> fortunately all that is out of the way
[11:25]<antiemp> also not new to python
[11:25]<@jacky> familiar with it, at all?
[11:25]<@jacky> then you are in great shape
[11:25]<antiemp> just haven't had the need to pump logs to an http server
[11:25]<@jacky> it is a python script, that he did
[11:26]<antiemp> and want to do it smoothly, so if someone has already solved the problem, best not to reinvent the wheel
[11:26]<@jacky> well.. again... if they are to be on the same server... you don't have nearly the gyrations to perform, that we do
[11:26]<@Mulreay> I taught Jacky all he knows about TCL and eggdrop bots so just ask him.. I have confidence in my apprentice
[11:26]<@Mulreay> :p
[11:26]<@jacky> all you need to do, is generate a log that is acceptable appearing, and make it available on the web
[11:26]<@jacky> Mulreay: and I thank you!
[11:26]<@jacky> :)
[11:27]<@Mulreay> haha
[11:27]<@Mulreay> Oh the names seemed to be muddled around.. Jack may have taught me
[11:27]<@jacky> antiemp: I'm not your web expert... these other guys here can comment, if need be. but:
[11:27]<@jacky> what DO you need to do, to make a file available on the web?
[11:27]<@jacky> Mulreay: heheeh
[11:27]<antiemp> yeah, well, that's the easy part
[11:28]<antiemp> exposing the logs to the web cleanly
[11:28]<antiemp> after that want to write a tcl script have the bot serve links to specific logs
[11:28]<antiemp> and hopefully allow for fuzzy dates
[11:28]<@jacky> antiemp: and what happens if you take an eggdrop created log file, and make it available on the web? does it appear ok?
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[11:28]<@jacky> <antiemp> after that want to write a tcl script have the bot serve links to specific logs <<< ... thinking....
[11:29]<@Mulreay> camerongray is really good with PHP, CSS and HTML type stuff, Tux2 is generally your Linux man and BC_programming is your got with anything type man... I just watch
[11:29]<+camerongray> Just installed the Windows 8 Consumer Preview - not happy
[11:29]<@Mulreay> How so camerongray
[11:29]<+camerongray> Have you tried it?
[11:29]<+camerongray> Or even seen it?
[11:29]<@Mulreay> nope
[11:29]<+camerongray> :P
[11:29]<@jacky> <antiemp> after that want to write a tcl script have the bot serve links to specific logs <<< this implies that each log will have its own link.
[11:30]<+camerongray> Start menu is no more
[11:30]<+camerongray> Now the start SCREEN!
[11:30]<@Mulreay> wow, how so
[11:30]<+camerongray> All nice and full screen with big touch screen ready buttons
[11:30]<@Mulreay> oooo don't like that idea
[11:30]<@jacky> antiemp: http://www.egghelp.org/tclhtml/3478-4-0-0-1-logger.htm and you can see that Logger listed.
[11:30]<+camerongray> Mulreay: http://cdn3.sbnation.com/entry_photo_images/3208644/win8-hero-shot-1020_large_verge_super_wide.jpg
[11:31]<antiemp> yes jacky
[11:31]<antiemp> each log is its own file per day
[11:31]<antiemp> with the timestamp in the log name
[11:31]<@jacky> antiemp: let me go re-read your forum post...
[11:31]<@Mulreay> camerongray: It looks like a windows help program
[11:31]<+camerongray> yeah
[11:31]<+camerongray> Or a phone
[11:31]<@Mulreay> yeah
[11:32]<@Mulreay> That is really bad
[11:32]<+camerongray> yep
[11:32]<+camerongray> They still have the normal UI but with that instead of a start menu
[11:32]<@Mulreay> Seems a little convuluted
[11:32]<+camerongray> And they even removed the button so to show that you need to hover in the bottom left corner of the screen
[11:32]<@jacky> antiemp: example: what would you want bot to respond with, to this? : !logs <date>
[11:34]<antiemp> that specifically should return a malformed request error which then tells the user how to form a proper request
[11:34]<antiemp> ;)
[11:34]<@jacky> hehe
[11:34]<antiemp> !logs 2012-01-23
[11:34]<@jacky> example me, with a sample request
[11:35]<antiemp> should return a link to the logs from that date
[11:35]<antiemp> just the link should suffice
[11:35]<@jacky> link would be the same for all logs? just changing the filename in the link?
[11:35]<antiemp> pretty much, should be fairly easy
[11:36]<@jacky> if so, then yes. no searching involved, for tcl
[11:36]<antiemp> right
[11:36]<antiemp> to get fancy you then add a second parameter
[11:36]<@jacky> just take the input from the user "2012-01-23 " and plug it in a canned response
[11:36]<+camerongray> I don't think I'll ever get Windows 8
[11:36]<@jacky> camerongray: you are hooked on Mac anyway.... <g>
[11:36]<+camerongray> lol - Not really :P
[11:36]<@jacky> heh
[11:37]<@Mulreay> OK recording video so will be AFK for a while..
[11:37]<@jacky> antiemp: what is the second param?
[11:37]<@jacky> Mulreay: see ya
[11:37]<antiemp> logs2html is also available on egghelp.org
[11:37]<antiemp> second param i didn't discuss in the thread yet
[11:37]<antiemp> it would be lines to return
[11:37]<@jacky> we tried that.. .can't remember what we didn't like
[11:37]<antiemp> such as last x lines said, or first x lines said
[11:38]<antiemp> this is especially useful for people joining chat who want to know what was last said
[11:38]<antiemp> !logs today last 5
[11:38]<@jacky> antiemp: for that, (off the top of my head), I'd have to point you to some real TCL/Eggdrop gurus that I follow, on IRC.
[11:38]<antiemp> would then private message the last 5 lines said in chat
[11:38]<@jacky> oh
[11:38]<@jacky> wait
[11:38]<@jacky> type /msg chanbotv !rerun 5
[11:38]<antiemp> !rerun 5
[11:38]<@jacky> is that along the lines of what you mean?
[11:39]<antiemp> didn't get a response
[11:39]<@jacky> right
[11:39]<@jacky> type /msg chanbotv !rerun 5
[11:39]<@jacky> :)
[11:39]<antiemp> oh derp
[11:39]<@jacky> welcome to the human race
[11:39]<@jacky> hehe
[11:39]<antiemp> yep, that's perfect
[11:39]<antiemp> can i snag that script?
[11:39]<@jacky> that's something I made
[11:39]<@jacky> thinking...
[11:40]<@jacky> trying to remember how "clean" it is... It was pieced together from help I got in the forum, etc.
[11:40]<antiemp> that's fine, i can clean it up as needed
[11:40]<@jacky> give me a day to examine it, ok?
[11:40]<antiemp> as you wish
[11:40]<@jacky> no.. hehee not that... I just don't want to be embarrased by TOO much crap in it
[11:40]<@jacky> oh.. it defaults to 15 lines,
[11:41]<@jacky> and I think I set 40 as the max
[11:41]<@jacky> single channel though
[11:41]<antiemp> ah
[11:41]<@jacky> need multi chan?
[11:41]<antiemp> would be nice to multi-channel it at some point
[11:41]<@jacky> I did it.. but not 100%
[11:41]<antiemp> we have 2 channels that a single bot sits in that need this feature
[11:41]<@jacky> things like a user leaving... shows up twice
[11:42]<antiemp> twice or just x where x is the number of channels?
[11:42]<@jacky> I never got around to asking a guru, if there was a way to filter that
[11:42]<@jacky> to be honest, it has been so long... I'd have to first find my copy, load it, and try it again
[11:42]<antiemp> hah hah
[11:42]<antiemp> no worries
[11:43]<@jacky> I remember that there was SOME sort of weirdness
[11:43]<@jacky> anyway... where are we now?
[11:43]<@jacky> you wanted something else... with the log stuff
[11:43]<@jacky> right?
[11:43]<@jacky> what was that?
[11:43]<antiemp> can't believe i skipped over logs2html, that handles problem 1 easily
[11:43]<@jacky> test it
[11:43]<antiemp> problem 2 is just getting the bot to hand off links
[11:43]<@jacky> be sure
[11:43]<@jacky> what does it claim to do?
[11:44]<antiemp> unstated problem 3 is getting the bot to server parts of logs
[11:44]<antiemp> http://sourceforge.net/projects/logs2html/
[11:44]<@jacky> and... if logs2html does what you want... then I'm glad something useful came out of your conversation/visit here... even if only accidentally. :)
[11:44]<antiemp> absolutely positive convo in here
[11:44]<antiemp> "This module converts the log files of your eggdrop to the html format. It also creates a page-calendar with links to that created files."
[11:45]<@jacky> now.. for a non-html person like me... what does that mean?
[11:45]<@jacky> I thought a text file could be displayed, as-is.
[11:45]<antiemp> if you server raw text to a browser, it will show the raw text as is, and may not honor the line breaks
[11:45]<@jacky> ok
[11:45]<@jacky> back to other things you wanted
[11:46]<antiemp> the script adds markup (html) to the log text to format it nicely for viewing in a web browser
[11:46]<@jacky> do you do any TCL yourself (yet) ?
[11:46]<antiemp> not yet for eggdrop, although i do have tcl experience with networking
[11:46]<@jacky> <antiemp> the script adds markup (html) to the log text to format it nicely for viewing in a web browser <<< sounds like what BC is doing for us, with his python script, eh?
[11:46]<antiemp> could be
[11:46]<antiemp> may end up not needing BC's python
[11:46]<@jacky> antiemp: then all you need is the eggdrop specific TCL commands. :)
[11:47]<@jacky> I don't know about 1.8, as I'venever used it. That is for SSL, I think
[11:47]<@jacky> but
[11:47]<@jacky> do you think the TCL commands are the same?
[11:47]<@jacky> http://www.eggheads.org/support/egghtml/1.6.21/tcl-commands.html
[11:47]<@jacky> if so... there you go
[11:47]<@jacky> and we can work on a few now, if you like
[11:49]<@jacky> camerongray: are you here? are we holding you up? or are you playing minecraft?
[11:50]<@jacky> butt in, if we are monopolizing the channel, and we can move elsewhere... ok?
[11:50]<antiemp> yes, using 1.8 for SSL suppot
[11:50]<antiemp> *support
[11:50]<antiemp> TCL commands should be identical
[11:51]<@jacky> thought so
[11:51]<+camerongray> I'm here but it's fine
[11:51]<@jacky> that online tcl-commands.doc ... you should have it as a .doc file anyway... in your doc/ directory of your bot
[11:51]<@jacky> camerongray: cool. tnx
[11:51]<antiemp> ah, cool
[11:51]<@jacky> antiemp: and I use this too: http://www.tcl.tk/man/tcl8.5/TclCmd/contents.htm
[11:52]<@jacky> antiemp: if you want to start on it, we can. we'll do the easiest first though. :)
[11:52]<@jacky> when I get too stuck, then I point you to where a guru lives.
[11:52]<antiemp> going to set up logs2html first
[11:52]<@jacky> ok
[11:52]<@jacky> is that like now?
[11:52]<antiemp> heh, yes
[11:52]<@jacky> if so.. that shouldn't take but a couple min, I guess
[11:53]<@jacky> by the way... if yours is to be on the same machine as the bot, you can get a more "live" effect. bot prints to log file every 5 min or so (default setting), and if you are reading that to the web browser.....
[11:53]<@jacky> cool
[11:54]<antiemp> yeah, going to start with it on the same server since it will only be devs using it atm
[11:54]<@jacky> cool
[11:54]<antiemp> at some point will probably mirror to the web server, but that's later
[11:55]<@jacky> all I do, for our situation... is some bash scripting, run by crontab once daily
[11:56]<antiemp> logs2html is a mod
[11:56]<antiemp> so will have to recompile eggdrop
[11:56]<@jacky> ah
[11:56]<@jacky> I wonder if it works with 1.8
[11:57]<antiemp> we'll soon see
[11:57]<@jacky> luv yer style
[11:57]<@jacky> heh
[11:57]<antiemp> but need to back check a bunch of things first
[11:58]<antiemp> in include the other mods i'm running, etc
[11:58]<@jacky> oh?
[11:58]<antiemp> *and include
[11:58]<@jacky> ah
[11:58]<@jacky> where is bot? a public network?
[11:58]<antiemp> and will want to compile to a separate directory to not clash with current running eggdrop
[11:58]<antiemp> freenode
[11:58]<@jacky> I'm there now
[11:58]<@jacky> are you?
[11:58]<antiemp> i'm always there
[11:58]<antiemp> nick is trevor
[11:58]<@jacky> I'm there, a lot
[11:58]<@jacky> jack3
[11:58]<antiemp> cool
[11:59]<@jacky> rats.. a /whois there doesn't show channels
[11:59]<antiemp> heh, yeah, private
[11:59]<@jacky> if you join #eggdrop and any other eggdrop channels, and see a guy named thommey
[11:59]<@jacky> he can be short, if you are not listening and trying
[11:59]<@jacky> but he is a guur
[11:59]<@jacky> guru*
[11:59]<antiemp> ah, awesome, will poke as needed
[12:00]<@jacky> I think he is actually one of the coders of eggdrop
[12:00]<@jacky> there are a few others around there too
[12:03]<@jacky> 
[12:03]<@jacky> 
[12:03]<@jacky> also need to add problem 3) which is:
[12:03]<@jacky> user should be able to request parts of a log to be private messaged
[12:03]<@jacky> for example:
[12:03]<@jacky> !logs <date> <last|first> <number>
[12:03]<@jacky> 
[12:03]<@jacky> be ye aware: mine doesn't do that
[12:03]<@jacky> it just watches recent chat
[12:03]<@jacky> :)
[12:03]<@jacky> 
[12:04]<antiemp> that's fine, that's just advanced stuff as wishes for later
[12:04]<@jacky> rolls off, after xx lines
[12:04]<@jacky> ok. just wanted to be sure
[12:04]<@jacky> :)
[12:05]<@jacky> compiling yet?
[12:05]<@jacky> :)
[12:05]<antiemp> multi-tasking atm, so will poke when i get that done
[12:05]<@jacky> ok
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[12:30]<@Mulreay> Had to all the audio on my laptop and all the video on my PC
[12:31]<@jacky> via 2400 baud modem?
[12:31]<@jacky> :)
[12:32]<@Mulreay> heh,
[12:32]<@Mulreay> pain in the ass
[12:32]<@jacky> moi?
[12:32]<@jacky> ??
[12:32]<@jacky> <g>
[12:33]<@Mulreay> Like you said the mic was really low on the other video.. something with the PC sound card on the PC so had to record the video on the PC and record the audio on the laptop for better quality
[12:36]<@jacky> ah
[12:36]<@Mulreay> Now I have to try and sych them after moving the audio over to the pc
[12:36]<@jacky> even better, synch them
[12:36]<@jacky> hehehe
[12:37]<@Mulreay> heh yeah angry typing
[12:37]<@jacky> phat phingered it, eh?
[12:37]<@Mulreay> lol
[12:37]<@jacky> I'm going to go
[12:37]<@jacky> might pop back shortly.. not sure
[12:38]<@jacky> antiemp: not sure where you are... time zone wise... it is 2:38 pm here now.
[12:38]<@Mulreay> ok if I gat lost in video editing I will speak soon.. unless I kill my computers then take care
[12:38]<@jacky> I also expect to be back around 7pm (my time) too.
[12:38]<@jacky> if not.. catch you tomorrow, or sometime soon
[12:38]<@jacky> keep me posted on how it comes along
[12:38]<@Mulreay> I will be up late so may be
[12:39]<@jacky> as for a couple of those commands you desire, we can do them. for the "fuzzy" ones... not sure how to attack that, yet.
[12:39]<@jacky> 
[12:39]<@jacky> 
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[12:42]<+camerongray> Tux2: Linux Question
[12:44]<+camerongray> nvm
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[13:10]<@Mulreay> Yeah can'tbe doing with this audio sync stuff
[13:12]<@Mulreay> I have no clapper board to go from
[13:14]<@Mulreay> I used Steve and it may have worked
[13:15]<@Mulreay> nope
[13:17]<@Mulreay> I see myself going to the shop getting an 8 pack and doing this like a drung angry person till 8am#
[13:18]<@Mulreay> drunk*
[13:18]<+camerongray> lol
[13:18]<+camerongray> You used Steve as a clapper board? :P
[13:19]<@Mulreay> yep
[13:19]<+camerongray> hahaha
[13:19]<+camerongray> Tux2: Having linux issues
[13:20]<@Mulreay> Wow, it's synched but I say Steve
[13:20]<+camerongray> lol
[13:21]<@Mulreay> Will have to work on my 'steve' clapper board
[13:22]<@Mulreay> OK that should take about 2hrs
[13:23]<@Mulreay> off to the shop to by some Ice cream.. i like Ice Cream and I treat myself when I get over anger... and If I don't get it I just get angry.. also want some 'monster munch'.
[13:23]<+camerongray> lol
[13:23]<+camerongray> Will they be open?
[13:23]<@Mulreay> Yeah, open till 10
[13:23]<+camerongray> Nice!
[13:24]<+camerongray> The shop here shuts at 6
[13:24]<@Mulreay> Looking, that will probably render for a while now
[13:46]<@Mulreay> About 2hrs by my calc
[13:46]<@Mulreay> It is in HD
[14:21]<+camerongray> Tux2?
[14:23]<@Mulreay> Think he needs some sleep bud
[14:26]<+camerongray> lol
[14:26]<+camerongray> but I need minecraft :P
[14:28]<@Mulreay> Hah and he needs a sleep.. come on
[14:29]<@Mulreay> Give him a break..
[14:29]<+camerongray> lol
[14:29]<+camerongray> I try
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[14:30]<@Mulreay> He gave us mod status to take some of the pressure off him.. if we do it more in irc channels then why do it?
[14:31]<@Mulreay> Leave him be.. he will be on later
[14:31]<+camerongray> good point
[14:31]<+camerongray> No rush anyway
[14:31]<@Mulreay> :)
[14:35]<@Mulreay> 19.2%
[14:35]<@Mulreay> This video will take ages
[14:36]<@Mulreay> I want to do all my videos in HD... but should I?
[14:37]<+camerongray> lol - I do, else you get stupid comments about it not being HD
[14:38]<@Mulreay> yeah, plus I've just applied for a job with a big youtube.. channel
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[14:39]<@Mulreay> I swear that was NOT comment bating.. I just thought may be they would want my videos in HD
[14:39]<@Mulreay> Thinking out loud
[14:43]<+camerongray> Nice, what channel
[14:43]<+camerongray> ?
[14:43]<@Mulreay> I can't say here..
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[15:23]<@Mulreay> This render will be done over night..
[15:24]<@Mulreay> Too much work
[15:24]<@Mulreay> camerongray sorry to bother you
[15:25]<@Mulreay> Listen to 'Smile, smile, smile... ponies win
[15:26]<@Mulreay> OK I'm done
[15:26]<+camerongray> lol
[15:32]<@Mulreay> mmm Pot noodle..
[15:32]<@Mulreay> again
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[15:37]<+camerongray> lol
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[15:41]<@Mulreay> Be back in the morning
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[17:47]<+Craig> !seen Jacky
[17:47]<+Craig> Hey Tux2 How goes it
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[19:36]<@Mulreay> New tux2 server video will be up soon
[19:37]<@Mulreay> Craig hello
[19:38]<+Craig> Hey Mulreay
[19:38]<+Craig> :)
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[20:28]<BC_Programming> just thought I'd pass this on.... we have to be out of here by friday... haha... nowhere to go... going to be homeless
[20:28]<BC_Programming> wish me luck...
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[22:46]<+Tux2> Hey guys
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